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Post by bigbiss on Aug 11, 2007 22:32:57 GMT -5
I have to say the main event is why I hate ROH at times. They take them selfs way to serious and it comes off as a watered down version of a great IWA match then a brawl. any way just my 2 cents.
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Post by Office_of_Anarchy on Aug 13, 2007 14:44:14 GMT -5
couldn't have been worse then ROH's "Unified" show....
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Post by bigbiss on Aug 13, 2007 15:09:17 GMT -5
couldn't have been worse then ROH's "Unified" show.... meh that one is still in the wraper, the IWA Philly show or what ever else I pick up sunday will more then likely jump infront of it. |
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Post by jstead on Aug 14, 2007 22:09:12 GMT -5
If you haven't already, check out All Star Extravaganza 3 and SuperCard of Honor 2 from this year in Detroit. I have not seen the dvds yet, but the shows live were great.
Or check out Supercard of Honor 1 and Better Than Our Best from last year in Chicago. Those in my opinion are the best ROH shows.
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Post by Office_of_Anarchy on Aug 14, 2007 22:35:24 GMT -5
ROH is a very good promotion and most shows are good to great...Unified has a tiny ring and it killed the whole show.
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Post by bigbiss on Aug 14, 2007 22:50:52 GMT -5
If you haven't already, check out All Star Extravaganza 3 and SuperCard of Honor 2 from this year in Detroit. I have not seen the dvds yet, but the shows live were great. Or check out Supercard of Honor 1 and Better Than Our Best from last year in Chicago. Those in my opinion are the best ROH shows. yeah i enjoyed the hell out of thouse just didnt really like how the CZW vs ROH stuff went. im about a year behind on my ROH. |
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Post by chucho on Aug 15, 2007 18:53:29 GMT -5
What part of it didn't you like? It was the best storyline in all of North American wrestling recently and Chris Hero was the godliest of heels during the whole thing. Absolutely loved it. Class and integrity vs. garbage ultraviolence. Made perfect sense and was the last time I paid attention to CZW and kept up with ROH.
Now that ROH has been pushing the Chikara and PWG guys, it looks like its headed for another hot run. ROH has been the best indy fed in the nation (and TNA is an indy, just with national exposure, cuz running 99% of your shows from the same tv studio isn't a national promotion, it's a theme park watered down WWE ) for the past five years because of the action and well booked fueds. (Punk/Joe, Rottwielers/ROH, ROH/Japan) Good stuff.
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Post by Office_of_Anarchy on Aug 15, 2007 18:57:53 GMT -5
What part of it didn't you like? It was the best storyline in all of North American wrestling recently and Chris Hero was the godliest of heels during the whole thing. Absolutely loved it. Class and integrity vs. garbage ultraviolence. Made perfect sense and was the last time I paid attention to CZW and kept up with ROH. Now that ROH has been pushing the Chikara and PWG guys, it looks like its headed for another hot run. ROH has been the best indy fed in the nation (and TNA is an indy, just with national exposure, cuz running 99% of your shows from the same tv studio isn't a national promotion, it's a theme park watered down WWE ) for the past five years because of the action and well booked fueds. (Punk/Joe, Rottwielers/ROH, ROH/Japan) Good stuff. I couldn't get past Cornette's boring ass long winded promos to get into the angle. it was killed the same way the WWE/WCW/ECW angle was killed. ROH just used Hero, Claudio, Super Dragon and Necro like glorified Job boys. CZW always lost, it was just a way to make ROH look like the Gods of Indy wrestling. I disliked the angle... The Cabana/Homicide angle was way better.... |
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Post by killerkellykyle on Aug 15, 2007 19:33:44 GMT -5
it wasnt good when students were usually the ones to save ROH from CZW..and alot of the battles werent that great...the cage match...100th show match... a couple of others were great...but most of it was just "hey here comes some CZW guys...send out the students and adam pearce"...it could have been way better...but it still did make them money, and the ending was awesome.... if czw did stuff on their shows it would have been even better...but they are idiots
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Post by bigbiss on Aug 15, 2007 20:23:23 GMT -5
What part of it didn't you like? It was the best storyline in all of North American wrestling recently and Chris Hero was the godliest of heels during the whole thing. Absolutely loved it. Class and integrity vs. garbage ultraviolence. Made perfect sense and was the last time I paid attention to CZW and kept up with ROH. Now that ROH has been pushing the Chikara and PWG guys, it looks like its headed for another hot run. ROH has been the best indy fed in the nation (and TNA is an indy, just with national exposure, cuz running 99% of your shows from the same tv studio isn't a national promotion, it's a theme park watered down WWE ) for the past five years because of the action and well booked fueds. (Punk/Joe, Rottwielers/ROH, ROH/Japan) Good stuff. im a little bias but i did not like how they made Necro look like total trash after watching the guy have good wrestling matches in IWA and Live. im on the same page as darin on this one. being part of CZW is not what made Hero a godly heel the fact that Hero is very very good at what he does is what made him a godly heel, look at him now |
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Post by chucho on Aug 16, 2007 17:45:27 GMT -5
I understand where you guys are coming from. And it sounds like it's the same problems that I have with ROH, they cater too much to the incredibly jaded, ultra-smark fans that populate the East Coast. Hence why main events are often over booked or why Dragon always had to go fucking broadway with everyone during his title reign. It gets a little to redundant. It's these fans that would shit on Necro live because of the conception that he's a "garbage" worker. These fans have been conditioned to accept only "class"workers. Like it or not, ROH has done a hell of a job turning the fan base in Philly around from the violence loving mongers that craved the alternative ECW style promotions into wrestling snobs that demanded 5 star matches every show.
You don't have to like it but it is smart business. And it's the tension created from the broadening snobs and their organization and the small cult like following of the outlaw organization that really made this angle stick out. Plus, in every industry it's big bank take little bank, hence why ROH jobbed CZW the fuck out. And it's not like Hero, Claudio and the others are under contract to CZW anyways. I think it was ROH offering CZW some exposure, the way WWF did with ECW back in the late 90's. Plus Claudio is getting the mega push in ROH from what I understand. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by bigbiss on Aug 16, 2007 18:54:11 GMT -5
Whats inpressive to me is some of the wrestlers they have gotten "excepted" by there crowd
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