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Post by nakofan64 on Aug 26, 2007 23:35:28 GMT -5
...and the WWE
I'm so pissed that Orton didn't go over at Summerslam.
I'm not watching WWE anymore until Cena loses the title or Shawn Michaels returns....whichever comes first.
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Post by bigbiss on Aug 26, 2007 23:59:22 GMT -5
i'll give cena this he seems to work hard at what he does even if its not what i want to see
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Post by nakofan64 on Aug 27, 2007 0:20:24 GMT -5
i'll give cena this he seems to work hard at what he does even if its not what i want to see If by working hard you mean taking heat from the fans, being carried by Orton for a whole match, kicking out of an RKO, then hitting one FU for the win....then yeah...he really does work hard. Is that really all it takes to be WWE champion? grrr....so stupid! |
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Post by Office_of_Anarchy on Aug 27, 2007 0:58:11 GMT -5
Cena has to have the belt, he sells the merch and gets people to watch RAW. he is the only crossover star. Orton has like ZERO star power, he just isn't over enough to hold the strap.
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Post by killerkellykyle on Aug 27, 2007 9:06:14 GMT -5
I'm not watching till they give hornswoggle the world title...its time he moves up a division...he shouldnt have to carry the cruiserweight division forever.
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Post by barry on Aug 27, 2007 10:28:47 GMT -5
You'll all be a whole lot happier once you realize that Pro Wrestling isn't what you see on TV or PPV's but what you see in the local bars and gyms.
I really mean this, WWE and TNA are TV shows. They don't allow the wrestlers to wrestle the matches the way that they can. They force them to perform ridiculous, yet unfunny, so called comedy vignettes. All spontaneity is lost.
Wrestling is so much more than what the tv companies force on you. It's a shame, because there are many actual wrestlers working in the business of making wrestling tv shows.
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Post by Office_of_Anarchy on Aug 27, 2007 11:48:28 GMT -5
You'll all be a whole lot happier once you realize that Pro Wrestling isn't what you see on TV or PPV's but what you see in the local bars and gyms. I really mean this, WWE and TNA are TV shows. They don't allow the wrestlers to wrestle the matches the way that they can. They force them to perform ridiculous, yet unfunny, so called comedy vignettes. All spontaneity is lost. Wrestling is so much more than what the tv companies force on you. It's a shame, because there are many actual wrestlers working in the business of making wrestling tv shows. Exactly....I run a wrestling company and Vince runs an entertainment compoany. two completely different animals. |
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Post by killerkellykyle on Aug 27, 2007 17:43:14 GMT -5
well its still an awful tv show
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Post by sugarprincess on Aug 27, 2007 20:09:05 GMT -5
Iam tired of Cena as well I thought that Randy would win and then there would be a triple H randy Orton Feud
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Post by skylarskelly on Aug 27, 2007 20:55:58 GMT -5
I <3 Cena...
Not Really.. I <3 Chesty!
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Post by chucho on Aug 27, 2007 21:06:49 GMT -5
To say Randy Orton carried John Cena is absurd. I haven't liked Cena since he turned face, but I will admit, he brings it big time for big shows. He had the best match at Royal Rumble against Umaga, he had the best match at WrestleMania against HBK and then had the WWE match of the Year on Raw against HBK again. And let's not forget the awesome series with Edge. I don't think he's being carried by anyone when he is responsible for so many good matches. I don't like it that he's had that stupid belt for so long, but it's SMART booking. Imagine the rub for whoever finally pins the guy. A guy like Kennedy could be made instantly with one pinfall. Just like when HHH pinned Foley for his first title reign. Or when Hogan slammed Andre. I don't care for the guy, but he IS WWE right now, and people don't care for long title reigns,but a few years back people were bitching about Hunter hogging the strap, but really, who else was there? And who else now? I'll tell you one thing, it aint Randy fucking Orton. Look at how the ratings tanked the entire month he held the belt. Lowest rated champ in six years. Barely over with such strong booking. And plus, you can't reward a dick who is constantly a backstage distraction. Cena's very good at what he does and he brings it when he needs to. I don't care for the guy, but to say he sucks is wrong. Sorry,I saw the same match you saw, and it sounds like bitterness, but Randy Orton didn't carry John Cena. Fuck Randy Orton.
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Post by skylarskelly on Aug 27, 2007 21:51:16 GMT -5
I think the diva's battle royal carried Cena AND Orton!!!
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Post by josh123 on Aug 28, 2007 21:15:52 GMT -5
cena will lose at unforgiven
whoever he wrestles
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Post by killerkellykyle on Aug 28, 2007 22:01:16 GMT -5
Cena had the best match on an unspectacular wrestlemania....
Edge won the belt from Cena...then they put it right back on him... so... people just want a change... Austin sold crap loads of merch when he was not champ, so Cena doesnt need to be either...i would prefer if he would chase the title...that is what austin mostly did...and it was awesome...but seriously ....do something different than Cena beats everyone and the fans hating it!
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Post by Office_of_Anarchy on Aug 28, 2007 23:24:48 GMT -5
Cena had the best match on an unspectacular wrestlemania.... ...i would prefer if he would chase the title...that is what austin mostly did...and it was awesome...but seriously ....do something different than Cena beats everyone and the fans hating it! Cena vs. Michaels ay Mania was really bad IMO...and Cena is no Austin. you really can't compare the two. Austin was on top along with Guys like the Rock, Mankind, Taker & HHH...there were other guys that could carry the strap. There is no one other than triple H that could hold the title and keep the same levels of ratings and attendance. Cena needs to Gold to keep crowd and sell the merch. look at Smackdown, Once Edge and Taker dropped the strap the show been lower rated and therefore less Merch/Advertising dollars received. you have to remember that Bonnie Hammer of the USA network is as much of a booker as Vince himself. Cena as champion = ...Triple H will be next, then maybe Kennedy, then back to Cena.... |
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Post by killerkellykyle on Aug 29, 2007 0:11:23 GMT -5
ok i wasnt refereing to the actual talent involved with that period, just that Stone cold spent most of the time chasing the belt...and since they are constantly trying to make Cena that kind of star, they maybe should use that strategy, instead of him winning all the time. Ratings did go up with Edge, so maybe a heel champ would be a whole lot better...well a heel that is supposed to be a heel....they just suck, thats all i really want to say.
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Post by Office_of_Anarchy on Aug 29, 2007 0:19:01 GMT -5
ok i wasnt refereing to the actual talent involved with that period, just that Stone cold spent most of the time chasing the belt...and since they are constantly trying to make Cena that kind of star, they maybe should use that strategy, instead of him winning all the time. Ratings did go up with Edge, so maybe a heel champ would be a whole lot better...well a heel that is supposed to be a heel....they just suck, thats all i really want to say. Edge is just a lot better and universally over. he is a heel, 100%...Cena is 50-50...but they don't have anyone on RAW to fill the void. Stone Cold was chasing the Rock, Taker, Kane Mankind or HHH...Cena Chasing Orton would have zero drama. now that HHH is back he could drop it to him, but the chase wouldn't be that dramatic because he has beaten HHH clean so many times. Cena is alone at the top on RAW... |
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Post by killerkellykyle on Aug 29, 2007 0:39:13 GMT -5
i just want them to not just go for funny skits, but try and attempt to make new stars...just the attempt..might be exciting tv
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Post by Office_of_Anarchy on Aug 29, 2007 11:00:51 GMT -5
i just want them to not just go for funny skits, but try and attempt to make new stars...just the attempt..might be exciting tv They don't have enough faith in their talent to make new stars, that is why they do all the skits and shit....it is a substitute for substance... Santino Marella will be the next big star... |
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Post by Big Mike on Aug 29, 2007 18:57:42 GMT -5
8-)Ya know, here is where I have to disagree with my buddy J.C. for a little bit. First off, I don't hate Cena anywhere near the way he does apparently. Would I mind seeing someone else as champ? Na, I'd be cool with someone else, but I think Cena is what WWE has made him. He gets beat down, comes back, hits his moves, victory. No different than Hogan. Now, what's different is that we all read the websights with plans and results for what should happen, and we go with it. I do it too, every day I go to 24wrestling.com and see whats the latest news. I honestly miss the days when you kind of had an idea what was coming, but you didn't read it online 3 months ahead of time. Besides, who honestly saw Lynn defeating Showtime? J.C., thats why we started WMO, it shouldn't be about being "Smart Fans" it should be about being WRESTLING FANS!!!!! So, if you don't like him, boo him.
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Post by nakofan64 on Aug 29, 2007 21:02:29 GMT -5
8-)Ya know, here is where I have to disagree with my buddy J.C. for a little bit. First off, I don't hate Cena anywhere near the way he does apparently. Would I mind seeing someone else as champ? Na, I'd be cool with someone else, but I think Cena is what WWE has made him. He gets beat down, comes back, hits his moves, victory. No different than Hogan. Now, what's different is that we all read the websights with plans and results for what should happen, and we go with it. I do it too, every day I go to 24wrestling.com and see whats the latest news. I honestly miss the days when you kind of had an idea what was coming, but you didn't read it online 3 months ahead of time. Besides, who honestly saw Lynn defeating Showtime? J.C., thats why we started WMO, it shouldn't be about being "Smart Fans" it should be about being WRESTLING FANS!!!!! So, if you don't like him, boo him. I did...and I was pissed when he won. There's wrestlers out there that i will cheer on no matter what...whether face or heel. In the case of WWE, I'll always cheer for HBK and Stone Cold Steve Austin. Drawing on the comparison to Hogan, I know that he did it for so long in the 80s....but this isn't the 80s anymore. I didn't like Batista as champ because it was always him getting beat on during his match, then he hits one move and it's over. If he was still "Smackdown Cena" where he actually busted his ass throughout the match, I'd be perfectly ok with him as champ. |
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Post by Big Mike on Aug 30, 2007 20:13:46 GMT -5
Of course we are going to cheer for Shawn and Austin, we're homers. I hate to steal phrases from tv, but Shawn is probably the best in ring performer of our generation.(I'm saying as far as WWE/WCW superstars go) His matches are always memorable. Austin, not quite as much as Shawn, but he still put on good matches in his heyday, and his character just got over so huge. I mean, Triple H likes to talk about how he watches film from the 70's and 80's of all the greats. But his matches can get boring sometimes as well. I mean, really, why are we giving any credit to WWE, they have the most prestigious title they own on Khali. Think about that belts history. Harley Race, Ric Flair, Sting, David Arquette.....THE GREAT KHALI!!!!  Enough said |
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Post by Office_of_Anarchy on Aug 30, 2007 20:23:49 GMT -5
You actually saw Lynn beating Showtime? That is by far my favorite booking call I've ever made. That was by far teh most dramatic moment in ACW history...the rematch on Oct. 7th will be off the hizook...
Big Mike is right, the Internet has ruined professional wrestling...or at least the WWE & TNA...
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Post by chucho on Aug 30, 2007 23:06:12 GMT -5
I mean, really, why are we giving any credit to WWE, they have the most prestigious title they own on Khali. Think about that belts history. Harley Race, Ric Flair, Sting, David Arquette.....THE GREAT KHALI!!!! Enough said Wrong title. The title with all the lineage you are confusing is the WCW title that was unified with the WWE title by Chris Jericho back in 2001.The World title just looks like the WCW belt, but it's the garbage show title held by garbage and created originally created to feed HHH's ego. That belt is meaningless. Has no lineage before late 2002. Harley Race has no lineage to the WCW title at all, just the NWA strap, neither does Lou Thesz. It's a major misconception between the NWA and WCW world title lineage. The WWE title contains the WWWF-WWF-WWE lineage and the WCW world title lineage from 1991 (which started with Ric Flair) untill late 2001 when it was unified. It's the only title in North American wrestling that has any meaning (the NWA title hasn't mattered since Shane Douglas threw it away fifteen years ago), well as much as a fake fighting title would anyways... |
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Post by nakofan64 on Aug 30, 2007 23:18:34 GMT -5
I mean, really, why are we giving any credit to WWE, they have the most prestigious title they own on Khali. Think about that belts history. Harley Race, Ric Flair, Sting, David Arquette.....THE GREAT KHALI!!!! Enough said Wrong title. The title with all the lineage you are confusing is the WCW title that was unified with the WWE title by Chris Jericho back in 2001.The World title just looks like the WCW belt, but it's the garbage show title held by garbage and created originally created to feed HHH's ego. That belt is meaningless. Has no lineage before late 2002. Harley Race has no lineage to the WCW title at all, just the NWA strap, neither does Lou Thesz. It's a major misconception between the NWA and WCW world title lineage. The WWE title contains the WWWF-WWF-WWE lineage and the WCW world title lineage from 1991 (which started with Ric Flair) untill late 2001 when it was unified. It's the only title in North American wrestling that has any meaning (the NWA title hasn't mattered since Shane Douglas threw it away fifteen years ago), well as much as a fake fighting title would anyways... dude...he was being sarcastic....I think.... |
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