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Post by 777 on Aug 30, 2007 19:36:27 GMT -5
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Post by chucho on Aug 30, 2007 23:17:25 GMT -5
It's been a LONG time coming...hope the WWE gets what they deserve. Vince is a giant scumbag...accused rapist, employer of murderers, steroid distributor turner harborer, pro wrestling's true enemy...
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Post by 777 on Aug 31, 2007 7:27:33 GMT -5
, steroid distributor turner harborer, pro wrestling's true enemy... I hardly ever get around to watching WWE shows just cause its so bloody boring. But after refusing to name the violators I will not even bother to care bout the WWE. I think its shitty of them to hide anything that has such a impact from the fans that keep there business alive. Of course if we keep our eyes peeled we will notice certain stars missing for a few weeks and assume that might be one of the 10. Of course I respect the right to privacy but when your on a grand scale and you have kids (im talking bout 6-12 year olds) looking up to you and your larger than life to them. The company should come out and say OK this person did something wrong. |
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Post by Office_of_Anarchy on Aug 31, 2007 11:32:11 GMT -5
If WWE dies, wrestling dies...I don't get why everyone is so Anti-Vince and Anti-WWE.
WWE is still making WAY more money than anyone else in the business and that makes them king and that is what we all strive for...I just choose to do it with actual wrestling and they do it with soap opera like TV ... and unfortunately what they are doing is selling a SHITLOAD more tickets...
WWE is a million times better than TNA ever could be...
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Post by 777 on Aug 31, 2007 12:21:36 GMT -5
If WWE dies, wrestling dies...I don't get why everyone is so Anti-Vince and Anti-WWE. WWE is still making WAY more money than anyone else in the business and that makes them king and that is what we all strive for...I just choose to do it with actual wrestling and they do it with soap opera like TV ... and unfortunately what they are doing is selling a SHITLOAD more tickets... WWE is a million times better than TNA ever could be... By that logic if the WWE went under then all wrestling promitions big and small would close shop. I really dont see that happening. No one company can keep anything alive. Its like saying if Microsoft stoped making Windows computers would die, NO apple would step up and become numer 1. Its like saying if the NFL would close shop no one would ever play football again. People would come together and start a new league just hopefully not Vince. |
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Post by Office_of_Anarchy on Aug 31, 2007 12:49:47 GMT -5
If WWE dies, wrestling dies...I don't get why everyone is so Anti-Vince and Anti-WWE. WWE is still making WAY more money than anyone else in the business and that makes them king and that is what we all strive for...I just choose to do it with actual wrestling and they do it with soap opera like TV ... and unfortunately what they are doing is selling a SHITLOAD more tickets... WWE is a million times better than TNA ever could be... By that logic if the WWE went under then all wrestling promitions big and small would close shop. I really dont see that happening. No one company can keep anything alive. Its like saying if Microsoft stoped making Windows computers would die, NO apple would step up and become numer 1. Its like saying if the NFL would close shop no one would ever play football again. People would come together and start a new league just hopefully not Vince. Wrestling is more like the Nazi party than a Sports organization...Hitler died and the Nazis pretty much ceased...you can find a few here and there, but they really don't matter in the grand scheme of things any longer. Basically when the business isn't in the public eye it will be forgotten and looked down upon even worse than it is now. The WWE is the mob boss that gives all of us an opportunity to thrive. does everyone forget what happened just 6 years ago when the #2 & #3 companies died? wrestling was UNFUCKINGWATCHABLE in 2003-2006, there was nothing worth watching...Trust me, that was felt on the Indys. a Lot less shows, a lot smaller pay days, a SHITLOAD of talent quit the business...it was scary times. |
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Post by killerkellykyle on Aug 31, 2007 16:03:34 GMT -5
when WWE was hot, wrestling was hot everywhere...indies were making the money money...then when they werent so popular, the crowds went down...
when did 777 become british "bloody boring"?
and that accused rapist thing was easily dismissed and shown to be clearly false... so just get him on all the other shit.
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Post by 777 on Aug 31, 2007 16:11:37 GMT -5
sorry I had a gone in 60 seconds moment there lol
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Post by chucho on Sept 2, 2007 22:22:32 GMT -5
By that logic if the WWE went under then all wrestling promitions big and small would close shop. I really dont see that happening. No one company can keep anything alive. Its like saying if Microsoft stoped making Windows computers would die, NO apple would step up and become numer 1. Its like saying if the NFL would close shop no one would ever play football again. People would come together and start a new league just hopefully not Vince. Wrestling is more like the Nazi party than a Sports organization...Hitler died and the Nazis pretty much ceased...you can find a few here and there, but they really don't matter in the grand scheme of things any longer. Basically when the business isn't in the public eye it will be forgotten and looked down upon even worse than it is now. The WWE is the mob boss that gives all of us an opportunity to thrive. does everyone forget what happened just 6 years ago when the #2 & #3 companies died? wrestling was UNFUCKINGWATCHABLE in 2003-2006, there was nothing worth watching...Trust me, that was felt on the Indys. a Lot less shows, a lot smaller pay days, a SHITLOAD of talent quit the business...it was scary times. I disagree. If there were no television access for other wrestling companies then wrestling would die. Wrestling has been on television since it's inception, it has a built in audience just as game shows and sit coms do. See, the WWE has a core base of anywhere from 3-5 million viewers week in and week out and that's mainly due to the fact that they have zero competition. If the biggest company were to fall under it wouldn't take much brain power amongst other network execs to gather up the resources and workers to get a wrestling program on the air to feed the need for wrestling for the built in audience the WWE already left behind. These people don't have access and/or don't care to lay down money for indy shows, but they like to watch wrestling, and will watch what ever is presented to them, much like most of WWE's viewers who constantly whine about the product and watch regardless. So the WWE is a mob boss in the sense that if they get whacked out, there will always be someone else to step in immediately and take it's turf. With no true number 1 company to compare salaries and working commitments to, wrestlers could be signed cheaper and wrestling is always cheap to televise compared to other TV shows.Just with almost every business wrestling will go through recessions and booms but unless television somehow abruplty ends, wrestling will never die. It's a proven ratings stalwart, it's cheap programming, and the core audience is too big to ignore. It's basic economics. Wrestling in general was not unwatchable in 2003-2006, WWE for the better part was, but this is easily the greatest era in independent wrestling. ROH was, and still is, insanely awesome, PWG emerged as more than a whacked out west-coast version of ROH, TNA had a few brightspots, but mostly sucked after 2003, JAPW, CZW IWA-MS and tons of other indys had awesome shows all over the place. And then there are the perfectionists of the craft overseas... |
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Post by killerkellykyle on Sept 2, 2007 22:48:54 GMT -5
well even though wwe has a lot of viewers now, doesnt mean they will all start watching another show if the WWE goes under. Look at how many people stopped watching when WCW folded...WWE wasnt getting the combined viewership like people may have thought. WWE has that brand name that has been built on for years and years. do you think TNA could really fill WWE's shoes quick enough to keep all those viewers? I really hope we dont have to find out.
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Post by Office_of_Anarchy on Sept 2, 2007 22:56:23 GMT -5
Wrestling is more like the Nazi party than a Sports organization...Hitler died and the Nazis pretty much ceased...you can find a few here and there, but they really don't matter in the grand scheme of things any longer. Basically when the business isn't in the public eye it will be forgotten and looked down upon even worse than it is now. The WWE is the mob boss that gives all of us an opportunity to thrive. does everyone forget what happened just 6 years ago when the #2 & #3 companies died? wrestling was UNFUCKINGWATCHABLE in 2003-2006, there was nothing worth watching...Trust me, that was felt on the Indys. a Lot less shows, a lot smaller pay days, a SHITLOAD of talent quit the business...it was scary times. I disagree. If there were no television access for other wrestling companies then wrestling would die. Wrestling has been on television since it's inception, it has a built in audience just as game shows and sit coms do. See, the WWE has a core base of anywhere from 3-5 million viewers week in and week out and that's mainly due to the fact that they have zero competition. If the biggest company were to fall under it wouldn't take much brain power amongst other network execs to gather up the resources and workers to get a wrestling program on the air to feed the need for wrestling for the built in audience the WWE already left behind. These people don't have access and/or don't care to lay down money for indy shows, but they like to watch wrestling, and will watch what ever is presented to them, much like most of WWE's viewers who constantly whine about the product and watch regardless. So the WWE is a mob boss in the sense that if they get whacked out, there will always be someone else to step in immediately and take it's turf. With no true number 1 company to compare salaries and working commitments to, wrestlers could be signed cheaper and wrestling is always cheap to televise compared to other TV shows.Just with almost every business wrestling will go through recessions and booms but unless television somehow abruplty ends, wrestling will never die. It's a proven ratings stalwart, it's cheap programming, and the core audience is too big to ignore. It's basic economics. Wrestling in general was not unwatchable in 2003-2006, WWE for the better part was, but this is easily the greatest era in independent wrestling. ROH was, and still is, insanely awesome, PWG emerged as more than a whacked out west-coast version of ROH, TNA had a few brightspots, but mostly sucked after 2003, JAPW, CZW IWA-MS and tons of other indys had awesome shows all over the place. And then there are the perfectionists of the craft overseas... Trust me, I was out making a living as a professional wrestler...I had to leave the country to make enough to pay bills. Wrestling was all but dead...there are always going to wrestling fans, but shit funnels down, the worse it is on the top, the worse it gets all the way to the bottom. When WCW & ECW died a dozen companies stood up and declared they were the next WWE...none of them are around except for TNA and look at their ratings, no one is watching. Having TV isnt the what makes a company, it is its appeal...WWE has it, like them or not, they are setting record attendances and making a shitload of money on PPV. What the "Big Leagues" do affects everyone below them, when they strive we Thrive. and it isn't about the Talent sucking, (although it does take a hit), it is about the business suffering. WWE: Weakeast it has been since '94 CZW: never been Watchable ROH: Came into their own in '06 and got PPV because the business is fairly strong again... IWA-MS: easily the weakest time in the company... TNA: fucking horrible from inception except for a brief time in 2005 PWG: Bad ass, but still relatively unknown |
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Post by killerkellykyle on Sept 2, 2007 23:12:13 GMT -5
CHIKARA...very small...incredibly entertaining.... horrible crowds...tiny and unmoveable at times...but the wrestling is awesome...
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Post by New Administrator on Sept 2, 2007 23:41:55 GMT -5
i feel so dumb, when people type so much and sound so um whats the word, fuck i had a miss diss lexia moment.
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Post by skylarskelly on Sept 5, 2007 18:12:32 GMT -5
I miss ASPW up north  |
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Post by skylarskelly on Sept 5, 2007 18:18:56 GMT -5
Just wanted to post the article so you don't have to go read it somewhere else.
WWE suspends 10 for violating policy that requires drug tests
By Shaun Assael
ESPN The Magazine
(Archive)
Updated: August 31, 2007, 11:31 AM ET
World Wrestling Entertainment, under fire since one of its top stars was involved in a double-murder suicide, announced the suspension of 10 of its wrestlers on Thursday.
They are being suspended for violating the WWE's "wellness policy."
The move comes as investigators from the Albany, N.Y., district attorney's office have been gathering information about steroid use by WWE wrestlers as part of a wide ranging investigation into online pharmacies and the doctors who write prescriptions for them.
WWE did not release the names of those suspended. A source close to the investigation said that WWE was told that the following wrestlers were among the clients of one of the pharmacies under investigation, Signature of Orlando: Shoichi Funaki, Dave Bautista, Adam "Edge" Copeland, Chris "Masters" Mordetsky, John "Johnny Nitro" Hennigan, Skylar "Blade Storm" Skelly, and Shane Helms. Chris Benoit, the wrestler who killed his wife and son before hanging himself in June, was also a Signature client, as were two other wrestlers who recently died, Eddie Guerrero and Brian "Crush" Adams.
The Albany district attorney's office is examining online prescription mills where doctors get paid as little as $25 to issue online prescriptions, which in turn are filled by friendly pharmacies. In addition to Signature, its investigators raided pharmacies in Mobile, Ala. and Bay Ridge, N.Y.
Among those who have pleaded guilty are a Florida doctor named Claire Godfrey, who has admitted to prescribing performance-enhancing drugs at least two WWE wrestlers. In exchange for a plea that will keep her out of prison, she is cooperating with prosecutors.
The suspensions, which were accompanied by a WWE pledge to make future actions public after Nov. 1, comes at a time of mounting pressure on the WWE. A spokesman for the House Energy & Commerce Committee said Thursday that its commerce subcommittee will be holding hearings into the WWE in late September. The aide said a witness list has not been finalized.
Also looking into the company is the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. In a request that parallels what was asked of Major League Baseball, the committee is seeking a list of drugs covered by the WWE's policies, the number of tests it conducts annually, the protocols followed after a positive test and the procedures for awarding exemptions.
The issue of steroids and WWE largely faded until late June, when Benoit killed his wife and son in their suburban Atlanta home before hanging himself. His body was found to have 10 times the normal level of testosterone, as well as the anti-anxiety drug Xanax and the painkiller hydrocodone, authorities said.
The WWE instituted its current drug testing policy after the November 2005 death of Benoit's best friend, Guerrero, 38, who was found dead in a hotel room in Minneapolis. On Aug. 15, a day before WWE officials met with the Albany prosecutors, Adams, 44, was found dead of undetermined causes in his Florida home. Toxicology tests are pending.
The WWE has insisted that it randomly tests its 180 athletes at least four times a year.
Shaun Assael is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine. He is also the co-author of "Sex, Lies, and Headlocks: The Real Story of Vince McMahon and World Wrestling Entertainment," which is available here. His second book, Steroid Nation, will be released in October.
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Post by killerkellykyle on Sept 5, 2007 18:45:27 GMT -5
is that why your shoulder dislocated so much...cause of the roids? i'm glad the WWE suspended you, Skylar...you dirty dirty liar whore bitch jerk
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Post by vampyromorpha on Sept 6, 2007 14:24:58 GMT -5
IWA-MS: easily the weakest time in the company... I have agreed with everything you have said up to this point. I think the MS vs. DS feud they have going right now is great entertainment. They are having a triple shot this weekend and all 3 cards are totally stacked. I don't think that crowd size reflects quality of show or performance obviously. If it did, then there would be alot less pop stars and boy bands in the world... |
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Post by joshmonty on Sept 6, 2007 14:33:59 GMT -5
I personally think that IWA:MS is at a low right now not cause of there shows/stars but because of there crowd size... They have the right stars but they just don't promote the shows at all from what I have heard.
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